Making the move from teaching into school leadership, even though he was reluctant at first (2:20)
How he transitioned from seeing himself as a teacher to becoming an administrator (6:38)
One of Todd’s most difficult points in his journey from teacher to principal (10:20)
How teachers greatly underestimate the contributions of administrators (10:45)
The importance of constantly pushing the envelope and testing boundaries (11:45)
Why self-doubt is one of the biggest barriers educators must overcome (12:45)
The excitement of seeing your visions and dreams for your students become reality (14:08)
The one day in Todd’s education career he’ll never forget (16:00)
The importance of administrators encouraging teachers to be willing to fail (20:10)
Why administrators need to be transparent and honest about themselves with teachers (21:28)
The best leadership advice Todd’s ever received (22:40)
The importance of building great relationships with staff and students and letting them know how important they are (23:20)
Todd’s two favorite quotes about education (26:32)
The importance of reminding teachers how awesome they are (27:32)
The most important thing Todd looks for when hiring teachers (28:40)
Books mentioned in this episode
Kids Deserve It by Todd Nesloney and Adam Welcome
The End of Molasses Classes by Ron Clark
Digital Leadership by Eric Sheninger
The Innovator’s Mindset by George Couros
Teach Like a Pirate by Dave Burgess
Flipping 2.0 by Jason Bretzman
Apps and tools mentioned in this episode
Voxer (Todd says he can’t live without it)
Connect with Todd Nesloney:
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Podcast Session #4
Title: 4: Todd Nesloney | How Technology Can Help Your School Develop a Culture of Learning and Innovation
Show notes: educatorslead.com/toddnesloney
This is the Educators Lead podcast with Jay Willis, Session #4. Let’s go!
Intro: Todd Nesloney is the principal lead learner of Webb Elementary in Navasota Texas. He is the 2015 BAMMY Award Recipient for Elementary Principal and the 2014 award winner for Classroom Teacher of the Year. The TCEA Teacher of the Year for 2014. A White House Champion of Change. A national school board association “20 to Watch.” And Center for Digital Education Top Innovators in Education. Todd is also the author of children’s books Spruce and Lucy and the co-author of the award winning book Flipping 2.0. He is also the co-host of the popular education podcast series Edu-All Stars and Kids Deserve It. That was a mouthful! So that’s just, I was gonna say a brief introduction, but not really. But Todd, tell us a little bit about yourself and about your career path.
Todd: Yes. So I have been in education for I guess nine years now. This is my 9th year. I taught in the classroom for seven years. Two years in 4th grade, five years in 5th grade and then I moved into administration last year. I became the principal over here at Navasota and this is my second year in administration.
Jay: Awesome. So at what point along the journey did you decide to move into school leadership? When did you make that decision?
Todd: Well you know, when I was teaching, as soon as I got into teaching, the school district that I was with signed a deal with Lamar University to do a master’s program. And myself and two other members of my team were like let’s do it together because it was all online. So I said great, because I need to get my master’s now because the kind of learner I am, I’m not gonna go back to school in 10 years. So, if I don’t get it now, I’m not gonna get it. I don’t want to be a principal. I don’t want to be a leader of any kind of school. I just want to be a teacher forever. So let me go ahead and get my master’s. Plus, so I could say I was the first person in my family with a master’s. So, I got my master’s right away. I had no interest or desire to use it at all.
Then about two or maybe three years ago, I got started being connected on social media, specifically Twitter, and just started to get a lot of notoriety for some of the things that I was doing and the things I was sharing and then, the Navasota school district that I’m with now reached out to me on social media and said, “Hey, I see your doing all this project based learning and flipped class stuff” and I said “Sure am”. And they said “Would you like to work at a school where everybody was doing that?” and I said, “Ahhh, not really, I’m good where I’m at, I like what I’m doing, I like my kids.” And they said “What about if you got to lead a school that was doing that?” and I said, “That sounds intriguing but I really am happy where I’m at in the classroom.” And then, “So, what if you got to hire your entire staff?” And I thought, “Ohhh…OK I can take some consideration into that” because as an educator if you’re ever considering leadership, that’s like one of those dream “build your own school” moments and so I thought about it, prayed about it, and then I had a meeting set up with somebody from their central administration, just to sit down so I can ask questions.
And I just kind of sat down with them and said, “Look, here is the person I am. I need to know that y’all are gonna be OK with this. I need to know about how much you are OK with innovation, open wi-fi, all these things that I really am passionate about.” I kind of needed to see where they stood. To see if it was anything I even wanted to get involved with. And their ideals just completely aligned with mine. And one of my goals as an administrator, as a principal, as a lead learner, is to kind of break down this stereotype of what that role has been in the past, and teach lessons in the classroom, do after school tutoring, work with kids, have morning, lunch, and afternoon duty. Only spend an hour a day in your office. All these kinds of things. And they said, “You know what, that’s exactly what we want as well. That’s what we are looking for.” So, that’s, we were all on the same page. And I said, “Great. Then let’s do this.” So I went in and interviewed for the position, got the job.
Last year I was at Navasota Intermediate. So if anybody googles me or tries to look me up they’re gonna say “Why is he at Intermediate, and not at Webbb?” Well, last year, Intermediate 4th and 5th grade campus… I took it over, hired the whole staff from scratch. We had a great year. And then the district decided that you know, Webbb Elementary, which was at that time just a pre-K 3 with about nine hundred and something students. They said you know that one – we need to do some fixing, because we’ve got a pre-K 3 campus, we’ve got a 4-5 campus, and a southern part of our county about fifteen miles south, we have pre-K-5 campus. Well, it’s hard to do some aligned things when you have campuses like that. And so, I said, so one of the things they came up with (it was not my idea) is they said, “Well, you know what, what if we kind of did some realignment and we took these schools to make them all pre-K-5 campuses? And we kind of shifted some numbers to make Webb a little bit smaller, and Intermediate (which is now Brule Elementary) a little bit bigger?” And I said, “Great”, and they said “How would you feel about moving over to Webb? You’ve done a good job this year. We want you to take your team and combine them with that team over there.” and I said, “Oh my goodness, That’s quite a vote of confidence so let’s jump into it and do it.” So, this year I’m at Webb and we’ve got about 750 kiddos, got 90% free or reduced lunch, about 50% Hispanic, 35% African-American, and the rest are white. And we’ve just been rocking and rolling with all those pre-K through 5th graders this year trying to help our district out and get us out of some of the holes that we’ve dug ourselves in as a district.
Jay: Well, That’s awesome. So, tell me real quick just to kind of backtrack a little bit. So the journey to becoming an educator, it was really not something that you started off, necessarily, wanting to do, but it was kind of a point where you’re allowed to build exactly what you wanted from scratch that kind of inspired you to look a little bit deeper into that?
Todd: Well, you know, when I started getting connected on social media, one of the things that happened from that, too, is I started presenting and kind of traveling and speaking about some things and I never considered that I would ever want to work with adults. 5th grade was kind of like my limit. I loved 4th and 5th grade and below. And so I was, I had a terrible stage fright for years. I didn’t like speaking in front of adults, never could see that being my thing. And I still have stage fright when I get up and speak. But it just became something that I kind of built another passion for, and I really fell in love with helping educators eliminate excuses, find creative avenues; and really do what’s best for kids. And it, as I did that more and more, leadership became something that I considered myself being more adept to do and so when the idea came up for me to take a leadership role, everything just kind of, it’s definitely a God thing, because everything definitely just fell into place exactly with what I would have been looking for. And it has not been an easy road, by any means, but my personality is very much of one where I’m always up for a challenge. I liked being stressed. And where I was as a 5th grade teacher, I don’t say this braggingly, but I really knew what I was doing. And I had it down to an art and I had some amazing scores on tests and I had great strides with kids. But I was getting a little bit bored with it because I was like, I’ve done it for 5 years and I had it down to an art. So, I was kind of ready for a change as well without me even realizing I was ready for a change.
Jay: Yeah. You know it’s interesting when you mentioned just still being nervous speaking in front of people. I think that’s kind of something that a lot of us go through. I know that, you know, I’ve done quite a bit of speaking in front of groups of up to you know thousands of people but every time it’s still you know, you kind of go through this “who am I to say things?” and you know “what if I have kind of some hecklers or whatever?” that you go through.
Todd: Well, and it’s funny because people will come up to me afterwards and “Oh, my gosh, you’re a great speaker. And how do you do that?” And I’m like, I almost throw up every time before I go out on stage. It’s like my wife could tell you that I’m like calling her in the morning like “Oh, my gosh what was I thinking. Why am I up here speaking, I’m not the best person to be speaking on this topic. Oh, my gosh, the crowd is so huge. What if they hate me or nobody’s gonna show up to my session?” That is always… and it’s funny because I talk to some of these other people who present all the time. They all feel the same way.
Jay: Yeah. Yeah.
Todd: So that’s been kind of really need to know that I am not the only one dealing with all of these anxieties because my personality is an introvert and extrovert.
Jay: Yeah.
Todd: So when I get on stage, I’m really dynamic and I’m really full of energy just like I am in my classroom. But when I go home, I’m still on the couch, I watch TV and just chill. I don’t do a lot of exciting stuff. I’m really boring at home and so it’s exciting to have my two different personalities; in my presenting personality, and then my outside of that personality.
Jay: Yeah. That’s great. You know, and I think of the CEO of the company I used to worked for, he would kind of express that he would say, “You know, it’s not about whether or not you have butterflies because most people have butterflies, it’s just that you need to teach them to fly in formation.” And I just thought that was a good …..
Todd: I like that.
Jay: Yeah, that’s great. So, tell me just along the journey to becoming a school administrator, what would you say was the most difficult part you kind of alluded to it a little bit, how it was kind of a difficult path or difficult journey, so tell us about if you could maybe just kind a take us to one of the most difficult points in that path and just share that story with us.
Todd: Ahhh. So, I mean for me looking at my journey I think the hardest thing for me was not truly understanding all that a school leader does. One thing that I tell everybody now is that if I were to ever go back into the classroom fulltime, I would have so much more respect for my administrators because there are so many things that go on behind the scenes that I can’t talk to my staff about, or issues that I have to handle on my own, or bullets that I have to take that my teachers don’t even know I’m taking for them. Things like that, it’s just like wow! I never realized that some of my administrators did these things’ and I truly did not value or respect them enough to give them what they deserve for some of the work that they do. And so that was one thing that was really a big eye opener for me. As far as along the path and the getting into administration, my path was, it’s very unique I know with the way things kind of happened, kind of how I felt it came together and just kind of worked out. But for me, it was just, I consistently put myself in uncomfortable situations and so whether that’s the lessons I’m gonna teach, the activity we’re gonna try, I tell my staff now (and this is how I was as a the teacher), I truly believe that it is better to ask for forgiveness than it is to ask for permission. And so I’m consistently gonna push boundaries and push expectations and push ideas so things can work and I’m very much of a tell me I can’t do it and you better watch out because I will show you that I can. And so, taken that and kind of using that as my mantra as a teacher, I think it really helped prepare me for administration, too, because now I do that in administration. Yeah, there are a lot of times where there are extreme failures, but I take it and learn from it. I always tell my teachers, you can fail. If you try something crazy and fail, that’s fine. What I’m not gonna be OK with is when you try something crazy and it doesn’t work but you do it again and again and again because then you’re not really learning anything. You’re just making the same mistakes over and over again.
Jay: Right.
Todd: The hardest path for me was probably believing in myself and believing what I was capable of. And I still have a lot of self-doubt now and I think that’s just part of my personality as well but just continually understanding that I do have some skillset that does have value and that’s kind of why I’m really passionate about bringing that in with my kids and my staff and building that school culture is really important to me and working with Angela Myers and her You Matter movement making sure everybody understands that they have a special unique genius and gift to offer everyone around them. That was part of the hardest thing for me and still can be… that I do have gifts that are needed and necessary and I’m in this position I’m in for a reason.
Jay: Right. Yeah, I think it’s natural to have those doubts come up especially when you’re in the leadership position. I think that courage, you’ve probably heard this, but it’s not the absence of fear, it’s just, it’s acting it and doing what’s right in spite of your fear, and so I think the difference is a lot of people will allow that fear to immobilize them, while the great leaders, they’re the ones that kind of see the fear and acknowledge it. But they still act and do what’s right anyway.
Todd: Right. I agree.
Jay: So, what would you say has been your best moment as a school administrator like once you’ve reached that point where you’re the head of the school, what’s been your best moments so far?
Todd: Well. You know, for me thinking about the whole last year and a half, to me the most exciting thing is to take some of the visions and dreams that I’ve had for leaving in school and watch them play out. I’m now a bit a part of two schools that we got to redesign from the ground up. And when you get to have that opportunity to really build a school and work with your entire team, to build it together, there are so many cool things that happen and relationships that are formed. That has been the best for me. I’m really saying, you know what, because last year everybody I had was new to the district, this year was a combination and just taking that and saying, “You know what? This is our school. Let’s build it together what are our dreams, what are our goals, what are our wishes for kids and let’s take out all those excuses of why we can’t do it and let’s sit together as a team and say let’s do this crazy idea and let’s bring in these guests and let’s reach out to these people even though we’re probably never gonna get them to say yes. Let’s try it and let’s take kids and do these outrageous activities with them and let’s take our own teams and ideas and let’s try to break out what we have done before and really eliminate all limits.” And to see some of my teachers take those leaps and to see them try things and be terrified but still do it and then for me to work with such a large amount of students instead of 120, a hundred students or 75 that I was used to as a 5th grade teacher. Now I have 750 kids that I’m working with and get to build those relationships with kids, and eat lunch with them, and work with them, and do actual tutoring or build with Legos, or really get to invest in some really damaged students and watch things begin to change and walls begin to break down. That’s the exciting moment for me.
Jay: Could you, do you have whether be one specific kind of I don’t know if it’s to cheesy to say magic moment or just like a really impactful moment since you’ve become a school administrator that you could share with us? Just take us to that specific story.
Todd: Yeah. So you know I went to the Ron Clark Academy in Atlanta, Georgia about three years ago. And when I was there I met Ron, met Kim Bearden, the co-founder, and just had a really great conversation with them and did some blogging that they helped advertise. I kind of kept in contact very minimally through social media, saw them at a conference the summer before I got my administrator position, and just kind of reconnected with them. And then Kim Bearden came out with her book called Crash Course and I got a copy of it and read it that summer on an airplane in one sitting…cried my eyes out through half the book. It was such a powerful, easy to read book that I was like, you know what, this could be a great first book for our staff to read together this school year. So I worked with Kim and her publisher and bought a copy for all 84 members of my staff and I told them, “You know what? I really want to read this book together, the chapters are short and easy and we’ll just get together 15 minutes a week, every week, and talk about the chapter at hand and then on November 16th I’d like to have a Crash course school day were we take a lot of the ideas from this book and transform our school and our lessons and show what we’ve learned as like our culminating activity as educators.” And so as we began to read it, and share and stuff, about the 1st or 2nd weekend, I’d been doing a lot of communicating with the author about us reading the book and us using it as our book study in our Crash Course day and Kim Bearden was incredible enough that she worked with me and she surprised my staff on that 16th of November and showed up at the school.
Jay: Wow.
Todd: She was in the school the entire day rotating through classrooms. She talked to them all after school for about 45 minutes to an hour. And it was one of those you know, I told the staff about a week before that she was gonna come, I broke the news to them and we had people crying and screaming, yelling, it was like one of those like Oprah moment kind of things when I told them, because we’d all just been so emotionally impacted by this book.
Jay: Yeah.
Todd: I didn’t know really how out of the box or outrageous they were gonna be with their ideas. But when we showed up that Monday morning, I felt like I walked in to Disney World. Every hallway was transformed completely. They all had themes and ideas and teachers the lessons that day we had pickle autopsies, we had a cooking class. They were building, I mean it was amazing. The ideas they came up with to show what they’d learned from the book. And you know most of them teared up and so did Kim. She said, “You know I wrote this book in hopes somebody would get something out of it.” She said, To walk onto a campus and see every single staff member from PE to …to Special Ed to everybody doing these lessons. She said it was just emotionally and moving, and for me to watch a staff of 80 some members come together like that and really push themselves and step outside their comfort zones to go all out for kids…that was probably the highlight of my administrative career so far. To see every single person doing that…it was, it was a powerful, powerful moment and that was only a couple of weeks ago and the repercussions from that, I’m still feeling waves and seeing teachers – like I walked in, I think it was yesterday and I have two hallways that transformed into a winter theme because they saw the excitement change in the kids. They watched discipline disappear when the lessons were that outrageous and creative that the repercussions are gonna be felt for long to come. But it was just one of those really cool moments were I was just proud of everybody involved.
Jay: Oh, that’s great. That’s awesome. You know, it sounds like just from this discussion a lot of what the difference between those schools or those classrooms that are really alive and innovative in a lot of ways (and I’m sure I’d apply to business and a lot of other things as well), it’s just in some level being willing to fail and being willing to just like try something new that you may just fall flat on your face or just being willing to do it and see if it works.
Todd: Well, I think a lot that comes down completely to the leadership as well because if you’re on a campus where your leader does not encourage that or you feel like you’re being micromanaged that they come down on you for everything, you’re not gonna have that innovation. And so we try to be first of all present all the time, in every room; every day we try to make ourselves seen and known so that it never feels like a “gotcha” system. It’s completely… we’re here to help. I want to do what’s best for kids. First and foremost, number 1, what is best for kids. And so if that means we have to completely change everything and I have to say that my idea was terrible, then I’m gonna say, “My idea was terrible, let’s change it. Let’s do something different”, because I always tell my teachers, we have elementary kids. We do not have the time to waste to be too prideful in our decisions not to say something is not working.
Jay: Yeah.
Todd: If it is not working, we need to fix it.
Jay: Yeah. That’s great. And it just kind of to go along with that and some things that you said earlier in the conversation just with the team that I worked with here I kind of remind them that it’s completely OK to fail and make mistakes. We’re just gonna make new ones each time.
Todd: Yup. And I consistently talk about the mistakes that I make as well. I mean I write a weekly blog, posts for my staff where we have updates and stuff, but I will always start it with a personal story of my own and I’m consistently showing myself as the leader, too, where I feel insecure, where I’d made a mistake. Things that I need to apologize for, I’ve apologized in front of my staff before and I just try to make it known that I’m in this fight with you, I’m not above you.
Jay: Yeah. And I would imagine that transparency tends to endear people to you. Have you found that?
Todd: I think, I definitely think so. I mean, when I looked at the campus like this where I did not know 60% of the teachers until coming in this year, and some of them had apprehension about things, and the changes and the mixing and to what we’ve done in a couple of months, I really believe that that’s a 100% reflection of the power of building relationships and valuing everybody’s voice and making sure they all know they play an important part. That definitely, we would not bewere we are right now if not for that.
Jay: Yeah. Well, that’s great. So, alright to kind of transition, so we’re going to go through some quick rapid fire questions if you’re ready for those?
Todd: Yeah.
Jay: Alright. So what would you say is the best leadership advice you have ever received?
Todd: Oh guys, its rapid fire and now I’m blank. Probably the best, you know, I think about two principals that I talk to almost every day and that’s been Ben Gilpin and Brad Gustafson, Ben’s a principal in Michigan and Brad’s a principal in Minnesota. I talk to them every single day and they can just give me countless good advice but for me the best advice is to value those around you and ask them for help. Don’t ever be afraid to ask for help and to say I don’t know. And see what the people around you, what their ideas are and build something together.
Jay: That kind of goes along with the transparency – not being too proud to ask for help or admit you don’t know something. Yeah. That’s great. So what would you say is your biggest strength as a school administrator?
Todd: 100% building relationships and making sure my staff knows how important they are, same with my kids as well.
Jay: What one or two books would you most recommend to other school leaders?
Todd: Anything by Ron Clark, The End of Molasses Classes and Move Your Bus. Those are excellent. I loved Crash Course by Kim Bearden. Digital Leadership by Eric Sheninger. Those are excellent, and The Innovator’s Mindset by George Couros is a good one. And, of course, my book that comes out in the middle of next year. And I want it to be a great one too.
Jay: Of course, yeah. Can you release the title of that yet or no?
Todd: I’m co-authoring it with a principal out of California named Adam Welcome. And it’s called Kids Deserve It. We’ve got the whole ecosystem already built. We’ve got a handle at facebook – facebook.com/kidsdeserveit. We’ve got a Remind group. We’ve got a bunch of stuff with that. We’ve got a website, kidsdeserveit.com. We recently signed with Dave Burgess publishing (which is another great book – Dave Burgess, Teach Like a Pirate). We recently signed with them so the Kids Deserve It book will be coming out hopefully in April or May.
Jay: Awesome, Awesome. So what would you say what’s an app or maybe a software kind of tool that you would recommend for other school leaders.
Todd: Two apps that I can’t live without. One of them is Remind used to be as Remind 101. That is what I used to send out messages to parents, to staff, to my team. Great way to preschedule a text to go out, that’s how I let them know about fire drills, lock downs, special events, jeans days, love love love Remind. But the number one app that I cannot do without is Boxer. Boxer is a walkie-talkie type app. You can send quick voice messages, or text or images, and every single member of my staff has it because that’s the easiest way. We don’t ever carry walkie talkie’s around. We all have our cellphones. Everybody has a cellphone. We use that app to communicate with each other through voice so nothing gets misinterpreted through text. It saves our conversations; you can have groups. It’s just been an amazing, amazing tool. And that’s how I communicate with all my administrator friends from around the country. There are several Boxer groups that I’m in. Just like I mentioned Brad Gustafson and Ben Gilpin. I’m in the Boxer group with those two guys and we talk every single day. I don’t know about you. But I hate checking my voicemails. And I hate leaving a voicemail, because you get that stupid message about leave it up to the beep, press 1, etc., and I don’t have time for that. When you get on Boxer, leave a quick message and then they can respond bacl. If you have a friend that talks really slow which clearly wouldn’t be my problem because I really talk fast but if you have someone who really talks really slow, you can speed it up to four times the speed. So, you can listen to it in less time.
Jay: You can make them sound like chipmunks.
Todd: Exactly. But it’s been good for our teachers too because that’s how they get in touch with us. And so the kids know when they hear that Boxer button. They’re like, “Oh, man they contacted somebody.” You’ve got to be ready. But I have some students in some classes Box me from their teacher’s phone as well. They kind of say “Hey can you come by and say hey? I want to show you this.” and so I come by and checks stuff out in classrooms like that.
Jay: Ok. What is your all-time favorite educational quote?
Todd: Probably the one that I have on my website and on my email signature and OK, so I have two, I can’t do just this one thing. I’m gonna push your rules. One of them is “Adults need to have fun so children would want to grow up.” And that’s by Erica Bauermeister. And then my other one is “Never doubt that a small group of people can change the world when indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.”That’s by Margaret Mead.
Jay: That’s great. What advice do you have for working with the students and the population that you serve?
Todd: Love unconditionally. Forgive constantly. And every day must be a brand new day with no reminders of the mistakes made the day before.
Jay: What piece of advice would you have for working with the educators that you lead?
Todd: Honestly, a lot of the same things I’ve just said for kids. It’s love unconditionally. Forgive daily. But also with my educators, I’ve tried to empower them. I get down in the trenches with them so when I give ideas they know that I’m willing to do it alongside of them. And know it’s all for them. And I eat with them constantly. I write notes to them. I send emails. I leave sticky notes on their door. Just constantly find a way to remind. Teachers are just very good about forgetting how great they are. And so I feel like it’s part of my job to remind them of their awesomeness.
Jay: That’s great. So what’s the best way connect with you?
Todd: Honestly, you can google my name and there’s about a thousand ways. You can email me. I may respond. I may lose the email on accident because I get about a million a day. You can tweet me. I’m really good at responding on twitter, pretty quick to tweet as well. I’m on Facebook, I’m on Google Plus. Just don’t really do much on there because that’s a weird social media platform but you can find me anywhere and everywhere just by googling my name. ToddNesloney.com I also have all my information there as well.
Jay: Great. What would you or what final piece of advice will you give for school administrators, somebody who wants to be a school administrator one day?
Todd: For me, when I’m looking at hiring people, or when I talk to other administrators, I look for ways. I look for ways that you’re willing to push yourself outside and try things that either have not been tried before or seem scary. Because if you’re willing to take risks, you’re willing to do whatever is best for kids and you’re willing to fail but pick yourself back up and so that would be my advice that along with the phrase that I’ve said before. Ask for forgiveness. Don’t ask for permission.
Jay: That’s great. Well, edu-leaders this has been a great interview today. For the show notes of today’s show and other resources visit educatorslead.com and type the word todd into the search tool to find his show notes. Todd, thank you for sharing your journey with us today! And that represents another episode of Educators Lead.
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Educators Lead is a podcast created to help launch educators into the next level of leadership. This show is for you if you are interested in educational leadership as an assistant principal, principal, superintendent, teacher or someone who hopes to be a school leader one day. Educators Lead offers inspiration and practical advice to help you lead more effectively. Jay Willis interviews school leaders weekly to discuss why and when these educators made the decision to move into school leadership, challenges along the journey, and stories that made it all worthwhile. Educators Lead is a great resource for any educator looking to make a greater impact.
Educate. Inspire. Lead.
